"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
Who is loyal? A believer or a friend?
A believer who justifies everything you say and do,
not because it is right, but because you said it, or did it
or the friend, who sees you exactly as you are,
being, who may question you,
if it makes no sense what you say or do?
Who is a true friend?
One who admits the truth even if it hurts the ego,
(his own vanity or another's,
or one who will please his own vanity or another's
though hurting the justice and truth?
It is crucial to see this.
For bloody wars will forever be caused
by those who do not see this difference.
Who mistake the false for the real friend
the false from the real self,
in a relationship.
-Philosophic Community Project -
van Chapman
For a peaceful and intelligent solution to terrorism.
One has to break free
from unquestioning beliefs
to be able to see the truth wherever it is, whoever has said !
http://www.naturestudio.net/updateyourgod.html
It is crucial to see this.
***
In a dialogue I ask not belief, but sincerity
"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
Here is how, in practice,
taking my own conclusions
and my own common sense has worked,
in my dialogues with believers and devotees
of different beliefs:
When I tried to philosophy, to make sense with devotees
(of Yogananda), for example, to my surprise;
this was their reaction:
-"How can you live an intentionally hurting,
ego centered nonsense?" (!!!)
I will briefly explain it.
During exchanges of ideas with one sweet devotee
(of Yogananda), she tried to give me advice
on how to solve a relationship conflict with someone.
She told me that any criticism should be silenced,
that truth should be silence, if not flattering!.
According to her, I had not to point out anything
that was wrong in the way this person acted.
I just had to act lovingly, towards her,even fake it,
if I did not feel it...!
I was surprised! This was compassion, in her view.
Clearing up was not important, because it was hurting!
-Who is hurt by a sincerity and truth, if not flattering?
I asked. The true self or the ego?
If what one says is true,
are we to blame that the other is proud and hurt,
and not humble?
is pleasing the vanity of others a true relationship?
***
I do not ask for belief.
You may question me, challenge me!
I ask sincerity. That we be coherent,
consequent in what we say to each other.
She asks neither one of those!
Neither sincerity nor coherence, neither reason
nor being consequential.
Her Guru and her say
one must not show our weaknesses to people.
But he, Yogananda, and she ask unquestioning belief!
and this what is hypocritical to my eyes,
she calls devotion, loyalty!
I ask sincerity. not belief
My sweet devotees, ask belief,
but real sincerity, rather not!
****
Not only only sweet devotees ask to silence truth-
criticism, if not flattering. -tyrannic people ask that too.
In the news today is how Erdogan, president of Turkey,
shut down a news paper because it criticized
his government policies.
History tells that prophet Mohammed also asked to silence
criticism, if not flattering to his image and the image of Islam, for the sake of authority, or belief! Mohammed even murdered for a criticism. And this can be called "sacredness"...
Another believer I met, interested in the Kaliphaat,
also could not take any form of criticism to it.
Though boasting of the Islam, he did not assume
a public dialogue with me-He rather stay anonymous...
(He liked to start a writing by saying:
"In name of Allah"...then proceeded to tell prosaic things.
-Have you no respect for Allah? I asked him.
How can you speak no matter what in your God's name?
We are on friendly terms, but,
as with my Yogananda devotees,
this believer did not want further questions from me.
I had to stop telling the truth, if that was not flattering
to the imago of his belief.
Philosophy is to look at what is,
not avoid it in self defense.
I hope this Muslim I call Erci now he sees the real horror IS is doing,
sees what the 'return of the Kaliphat' really means,
and realized how he was completely deluded!
Philosophic Community Project
van Chapman
One
is love
Beliefs are many
Refference:
What has self defence to do with philosophy, wisdom or truth?
BELIEF APOLOGETICS
OFTEN SEE THE CONTRADICTIONS OF THEIR OPPONENTS.
BUT AVOID TO SEE OR CONFESS THOSE OF THEIR OWN...
And to this they call self defence.
14 Oct. 2014
To pre-scientific societies, the world was flat,
the sun and the stars turned around the earth.
At sunset, the sun sunked
in a mud pool at the horizon.
The biblical 'Day of Creation'
would be around 3761 BC.
And some of their "Words of God"
told to kill unbelieves!
Surely God's Word needs urgent updating…
Are believers of any belief system able to be true
and coherent in a philosophical dialogue,
when this is what they say?
Who is hurt by the truth which is not flattering,
even if it may be true?
Our pride or our humbleness?
Who is hurt by a criticism, when it is negative,
if not flattering, even if it is true?
Our one's own or another's pride, ego.
our false self, no doubt..
Who would rather flatter someone
and be flattered,
even when the other is or we are mistaken?
I have spoken to both fanatic and non-fanatic believers.
But whether they were simple devotees, or terrorists,
(those who justified terrorism
based on what is written in a a so called "Holy book"
or authority, Koran or Bible or another),
they were not coherent, in a dialogue with me.
Believers and their authorities
ask belief in the perfection of someone.
above reson, above sincerity, and call this loyalty.
***
The truth lover, as a true philosopher, asks not for perfection
but sincerity and truth, not belief.
A believer, instead, asks for belief in the perfection
of someone, of an authority, but not sincerity.
The truth lover, as a true philosopher,
does not mind being confronted.
for if falselly accused, one can clarify it.
The believer of an unquestionable authority,
Fears to confront his belief with what makes sense,
fears to be confronted in his belief
because he may not question belief.
***
Terrorists are not afraid of bombs, but of questions
***
The truth lover, as a true philosopher,
has faith in the potential consciousness of people.
The believer of an unquestionable authority
believe in a god who cannot explain himself
or createe understanding,
but must only be obeyed
flattered,
not criticized,
however nonsense his prophet may say,or do
(like marriing a child, and mass mudering a whole city for not believing in him for example,)
or threaten to send people to an eternal hell.
***
To this day there are still people who believe
in a God who cannot reason,
who could kill his children in hell fire
if they simply reasoning with him.
A perverse teacher would kill his students,
if not passing their exams
in one lifetime, a mere moment in eternity,
and torture them for the rest of eternity,
instead of enlightening them,
giving them wisdom,
killing their ignorance.
rather than killing them.
Just a horrific monster of a teacher!
A truth lover as a philosopher has faith
in mutual understanding between people
not blind obedience to power.
And in collaboration,
not competition
not in a irrational fear
and an irrational belief!
in an intelligent dialogue,
as this one can be in love of truth,
and for the justice of true love between us
human beings
Here is a link to a page: - Update-your-god
If I did not trust the potential consciousness
in humans, and even in some animals,
I would not have even started a dialogue with them...
***
If I would be among those who hate
I would believe that the only solution to the conflict of belief,
the only war on terror, was bloody violence, not reason.
I see that love is greater than hate.
truth, love and justice,
is above everyone, even the one think to be God!
Who fears the truth, the humble or the proud?
The conflict of beliefs dividing people on earth
for millenniums can be cleared up.
I have faith in a spirit of truth, love, justice.
I call this the Holy Spirit.
But it has not to do with what the Churches
have done or said in name of God if it not make any sense
and contradict truth, love, justice, itself
As I see for myself, a good question can create clarity,
where there was none!
This is my faith.
***
Are believers of any belief system able to be coherent,
consequent, able to reason with their beliefs? I ask.
In practice, this is just how it goes:
To understand something, we have to look at it.
This is the first thing.
So we have to look into it our beliefs,
into its contradictions, with humility- abandon all pretense.
We need humble, sincere, fearless awareness.
for self awareness.
Is that possible?
Can you do that as a believer?
be self aware in relation to what we believe?
To the in-consequences in beliefs, not only those of others, but our own?
Can we do that together in a dialogue without fighting?
In a civilized, courteous and honest way?
Who are we? Our vanity?
Here is an example from my experience in dialoguing
with believers:
A devotee of Yogananda used to say to me
that criticism, even if true, should be silenced.
She did not like to prove anyone right or wrong.
she said.
She also did not like to be proved wrong.
Even if she was wrong.
On the other hand, she did not mind to 'make believe'
She even advises me I try to do this.
To fake a love or a smile if I did not feel it,
in order to please others.
This is compassion, in her eyes.
but, is this not the ego, we try to please with flatter,
is this not a relationship of appearances, of masks,
instead of a true one, when I have to appear to be loving
to be happy when I am not?
Is compassion with others
or ourselves, to create awareness,
to create understanding,
just relationships with each other,
or feed each other's ego, each other's pride?
How can we even start to clear any conflict
with whom must seem happy and sweet
even when they do not feel it
and who tries to look away from conflicts
or silence defects ?
In all systems of belief,
the unquestioning believer is proud
on behalf of his unquestioning authority.
And these authorities contradict each other.
creating unsolvable problems, mysery and wars.
The problem of the contradictions
in name of God which create the most hopeless wars
for millenniums, which I try to show her,
talk about it to her, is not even a problem for her;
because she can even pretend it does not exist!
If you criticize devotees like these,
their belief, even if the critic is well founded,
they might say (quote):
"live on meaningless, deliberately obscure,
Ego- centered nonsense" (end quote).
And before you can explain and clear it up, between you
you are blocked, from the discussion on Facebook!
Similarity, a terrorist,
could even kill you for a critic on his prophet,
even if what you say is true!!
Understanding the source of the conflict
gerated by unquestioning beliefs
is not an issue to believers.
They are even suppose to like to make war,
in the Islam, not to reason for themselves,
or question if the authority is right, or wrong.
Believers can be proud on behalf of their authorities.
for they might rage at you for a criticism.
I love what St Éxupéry wrote:
"But the conceited man did not hear him.
Conceited people never hear anything but praise."
(The Little Prince: Chapter 11).
No honest, sincere, intelligent dialogue but war!"
This is the stupidity of the terrorist Jihad !
This is the cage of authority they are in and want to drag you in to.
by any means.
Jiddu Krishnamurti understood this before I born.
and I remain grateful to him for being free and showing this to the world!
How can a mind full of beliefs have clarity,
asked Krishnamurti.
As my friend devotee they depend on another to see for them
they just have to repeat what they say as a mantra.
the problem is lack of self awareness;
The conflict they live in is not important.
they learn to shovel it under the carpet!
The real problem for them is clearing up!
I am not offering a belief system.
only a no-nonsense honesty in a dialogue.
To me it is self evident
self evidence
that that truth love justice are greater
than untruth, hate, injustice.
This is an understanding rather than a belief, but this is true faith!
If the criticism is right, I will apologize,
and if I was misunderstood,
I like to explain clear it up in our relationship.
Confrontations can be inspiring,
if you do not fear the truth.
So this I understood better now:
whether they are sweet devotees, or criminal terrorists,
unquestionable authorities all have this in common:
lihe the conceited (van) man of St éxupéry,
they not hear if you say a truth to them about their belief, if not flattering,
they never hear anything but praise.
They only hear cumpliments
they are afraid of questions.
To my friend believers,
with my best wishes that one day you will admit it is true I say here.
To put the head in the sand is not away to God or self realization!
Your friend in love of truth.
van Chapman,
Philosophic Community Project
One
is love
Beliefs are many.
Urgent! Security warning:Update your God !
Was the Inquisition right, is Jihad ever right?
http://www.naturestudio.net/updateyourgod.html
True angels destroy not men, but the falseness in them.
Update your (understanding of) God.
Beliefs are many,
love is
One
"Do not believe in anything, no matter where you have read or who said it, even if I'm the one who said it, unless it agrees with your own conclusions and your own common sense."-Buddha
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