PROJECT Philosophic Community
You say your Allah is Great,
but I say true love is Greater!
Terrorists are not afraid of bombs, they are afraid of questions.
Spiritually powerful people are also not afraid of bombs ,
but to harm or do injustice to anyone,
what terrorists are not afraid of.
Wishing all the best to you.
End of a long attempt of a dialogue with a fanatic Muslim
This is an extract from a dialogue on the web with a fanatic Muslim.
10 January 2008/ Question by Erci 11/24/2007
*-SeLamun ALeykum, Which woman are stoned?
You mean every woman in the Islam geT Stoned?
You know, I know so many Muslim girls and women
and non of them are stoned. About which woman
are you talking about?
Do you know a woman who get stoned?
Erci
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Answer by van Chapman:
Here is your answer for always, dear Erci,
about the contradiction, with love in the Islam:
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Warning! This is an extremely sick and disgusting punishment,
and just watching this video can make you weak or possibly
give you nausea and shock for several days.
Please do not watch if you are weak-hearted.
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Watch at your own risk Click here below
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Subject: Video of Stoning to Death - Islam in action
http://bibleprobe.com/stoningtodeath.htm
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November 2006
Letter sent to politicians and the press
If any one thinks this text is against the Islam or Judaism or Christianity, one is wrong.
It is the love for power itself what degenerates the Islam, as well as Judaism and Christianity,
any religion or regime, or in that respect, any relationship.
The power of love is the power of clarity, light and progress.
The love for power, the power of darkness, decadence:
The love for power degrades the power of love.
Answer to the ambition of Islam to conquer the world.*
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Muslims everywhere ask not to be discriminated,
ask respect for their belief, for what they understand or do not understand the Islam to be.
But the holy book for the Islam, the Koran, teaches to discriminate people according to their belief,
to divide the world in believers or unbelievers. And that has nothing to do with love.
Love is the only unifying power or Re-uniting force,
or if you want: the only true re-ligare, or religion.
In love there is absolutely no discrimination of people for being a believer or an unbeliever.
Unbelievers are not only humans but can be even more human than believers.
What also needs to be understood by believers is that
not to respect what someone believes, does not mean disrespect for the believer.
In the end what matters is the sincerity and the quality of the heart:
someone may have good heart but false beliefs, or otherwise, have good belief but a cruel heart.
Is the Islam Law or Barbarism? What is a greater crime, to steal something or to mutilate people?
For a woman to leave her husband for another , or to stone someone to death?
To punish a fault by committing a greater crime, or even an equal crime,
as we can read in the Koran, is not the justice of love and wisdom.
When Mohammed was yet not in power, he said 'To each one his belief,
'There is no compulsion in religion'. But when Mohammed came to power, he divided people,
discriminated people for their belief
and made his religion compulsory. (.See Call to the Muslims of the World from a
Group of Freethinkers
and Humanists of Muslim Origins, (Google),
or http://www.naturestudio.net/ letter of humanists
Wisdom, true civilisation is not to destroy humans, even if they are considered evil, but to destroy the evil in them.
If Allah who was supposed to be omnipotent, to be able to do all things, was not able to create understanding
in his unbelievers but advocated tyranny, slavery, rape and butchery of people, he was the product of barbaric
and not of a civilized mind.
In teaching to punish a crime with a much greater crime, in the name of the Most Merciful and wise ,
the Islam is a contradiction.
It is hypocrisy of a Muslim to say in the Islam one may never fight war against or kill women.
According to http://Forums.brisinst.org.au "(Koranic text straight from Allah gives
Muslim men the right to rape captured females (suras, 70.30, 4.24, 23.1-7, 33.50-52)
Mohammad allowed his followers to rape women captured in war. No reasonable person would accept that…)";
According to some Islamic traditions, a woman may be stoned to death for leaving their husband for another man,
while a man may have up to 5 wives and as many as slaves "his right hand possesses"
to use sexually at his will (rape).
Muslims may rage, but Indeed we can ask , what did Mohammed brought of new, spiritually?
While Jesus changed that trend of stoning women for adultery, by teaching forgiveness,
Mohammed's Islam brought the revival of the Old Testament's barbaric "an eye for an eye", or worse...
While Jesus changed that trend of stoning women for adultery, by teaching forgiveness,
Mohammed's Islam brought the revival of the Old Testament's barbaric "an eye for an eye", or worse...
No one is a mere object or a property of another, in the eyes of the justice of love.
(Sometimes a marriage has nothing to do with love, like in the forced marriages.
Then, to keep a false marriage by force is inhuman.
So there is tyranny even in Jesus or Christianity,
if for example, any married person is prohibited to divorce.)
In the Islam a man may not humble himself to his women, even when he is wrong,
……… ***Koran 23: 1- 7 Successful indeed are the believers,
Those who humble themselves in their prayers; Who avoid vain talk; Who are active in deeds of charity;
And who guard their modesty - Except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives)
whom their right hands possess,- for (in their case) they are free from blame,
Tyrants, as the mafia, want no discussion.
One may be punished or mutilated, beheaded or killed for criticising, for disagreeing with them.
Mohammed did just that, and this has nothing to do with love for humanity.
Wikipedia: Asma bint Marwan From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
search Asma bint Marwan is a female poet who lived in Hijaz in medieval Arabia during the life of Muhammad.
Her affair is first written in Ibn Ishaq's "Sirat Rasul Allah" or the Biography of the Prophet of God,
the oldest and primary biography of Muhammad.
Another source that described the death of Asma bint Marwan:
From Ibn Sa'd's Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, translated by S. Moinul Haq, volume 2, page 31.
"SARIYYAH OF UMAYR IBN ADI"
Beating on women for disobeying their husbands, violating women of unbelievers in war time, stoning a women for giving herself to another man, killing someone for deserting the belief is not self defence but an unthinkable crime of violation of humanity.
If Muslims have to agree with all what is written in the Koran even if it goes against their consciousness, the Islam is a violation of Humanity!
When they are not just innocently ignorant, Muslims I met try to deny or hide (Al-Takiyya) from unbelievers (and from others who they want to seduce to the Islam,) this tyrannical aspect in the Koran.
If someone thinks people only respect what they fear, and out of love for power create an authority or God who 'will instil terror on the hearts of the unbelievers",who becomes a tyrant and a butcher of people, than he has forgotten that there are free and true and intelligent people in this world, who do not respect tyranny nor fear brutal force,
but have respect for the truth, for love and justice alone.
Philosophic Community Project
(van Chapman - www.naturestudio.net)
You say your Allah is Great,
but I say true love is Greater!
Wishing all the best to you.
PROJECT Philosophic Community
www.naturestudio.net
"Islam is the only religion which preaches that those who practice religious violence"
will automatically enter heaven..
"Very often apologetics claim that Islam is a religion of peace and there is no compulsion.
Yet, punishment of an apostate in Islam is, of course, death penalty".
PROJECT
Philosophic Community
What I try to say to this Muslim,
(even if he denies all evident violence in his holy book,) is this:
One does not clear someone's consciousness,
nor brings order to someone's thoughts
by cutting off his head.
Light and peace to you my friend.
Wishing all the best in life to you,
van Chapman
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