What is the real face of Islam?
Some veiled faced ISIS leader said he wants no more discussion
(but he wants war).
Some Gantanamo prisoner rather stay in prison
than to have to pass by a High Court.
Why? Because
"Terrorists are not afraid of bombs, but of questions."
TheReligionofPeace.com
Islamic Terror Attacks on Christians
(Since 9/11)
To the Government of US
If You See Something, Say Something™
This is what I see that I think Obama does not:
Truth of Islam- Three Stages of Jihad - MUST WATCH!!!
-Does Islam teach us to believe in a God who taught not to love truly our enemies, our competitors in faith, but lie, pretend to love them as friends outwardly, but not in the heart?
Here is the proof!
Jesus tell us to love our enemies. Jesus said, according to: Matthew 5:44: 'You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven';
What does the Koran teach us? The Koran says 12 times that a Muslim must not be allow to have friendship with infidels, for example:
1.- Qu'an Sura 3 ver 28 "Let not the believers take disbelievers for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security." This implies be friend by convenience!
2.- According to one of the greatest commentator of all times, TAFSIR Ibn KATHIR.:"....believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly but NEVER inwardly."
3. ABU DARBA.- "We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them"
http://tawqer.com/tag/tafsir%20ibn%20kathir#.VBivqpSSx8E
Read please:
For a peaceful, intelligent solution of terrorism!
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Message received! (Thank You!
Thank you for contacting the White House.)
From a Christian ex Muslim addressed to Obama -
Supposed declaration of Hitler to a friend:
Oct 1 2014
Slavery has been abolished from the American Constitution.
Can you abolish it from the teachings of the Koran and its prophet??
Slavery can never be abolished in a religion that orders to kills someone for leaving it for another religion.
If this is Islam, and you a Muslim, you are a slave.
You are not a human possessing a belief, but a human possessed by a belief.
A belief, which is inhumanly cruel in its warfare and executions.
You may not punish a crime with another crime or a worse crime,
or you are a criminal as well.
So, if a religion is forcing you to be a criminal, it may not even be called as such, as a religion any more!
If your religion teaches 'there is no compulsion in religion' and that 'No religion will be accepted other than the Islam' You have a religion that divides not only its own believers, but its believers and the world.
So you have to follow your consciousness heart intelligence humanity or the Islam- you cannot follow both.
Dear Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Let me thank you for your enlightenment, the only peaceful solution for the problem Islam- brave honesty! Thanks also to Douglas Murray and all who organized and participated in this debate!
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30 Sept 2014
G answers : Thanks for telling me what you think. Help me understand you. You said you do not hate religions but the religious people. Let me give you my point of view. Then you can tell me if you disagree and why. Does Bigotry mean one sees the contradiction in the other's belief but not in our own? Are all apologetics of a religion bigots? I might agree with you if you said that many are, still I disagree with you that you have to hate them for it.
I see their stubbornness of belief as a challenge,
A challenge cannot meet intelligently if I hate them.
( Or if I kill them, which is exactly the weakness of their belief, their ideas of God.)
If you can get them to see it that they are forced by their own prophets or Gods to commit bigotry,
they will have to admit their hypocrisy, at least in their own Consciousness.
Then it is a matter of what they value the most and what they want to follow:
their Consciousness of their Bigotry-creating beliefs.
In a debate between apologetics of any branch of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, however brilliant they were in attacking their opponents, until now, I do not remember seeing anyone really honest in criticising their own religious books or beliefs. this is Bigotry.
Can they can glance upon a debate with the eyes of a child without a prejudice, to really see this truth?
So could it be, ironically, that the only ones who can see this, are the impartial ones, the rational or sceptics they would call unbelievers?
Can we look with a mind and heart that has not been hijacked by any ego trip or any belief?
How can you be true if you are threatened with hell or death if you do not believe?
Whoever will win the world shall lose it. And the wise who say this( like Lao Tzu and Buddha and J Krishnamurti ) do not claim to be an authority- they simply try to make sense and tell you only to follow not them, but what makes sense-
Once I wrote to the European Parliament: "Love is the truth". "A belief is what one thinks the truth to be." I mean love for beings, not for beliefs above human beings, which is the pledge of extremists.
Religions are thought processes. True love is not a thought process. I mean true love, which comes upon you and you cannot force it to come.
Love is or it is not in you. Like a fact purely natural, uncreated.
When it is in you, you have a light to clear the mind from false thought.
See their contradictions and you are saved from the hypocrisy
of having to justify your belief no matter what costs you or others.
No matter even if it costs us the truth!
They are not love but thought processes,
those beliefs that threaten to kill you if you do not believe
or make you kill others if they do not believe !!
To kill the ignorant, instead of his ignorance, is that Wisdom?
Is that Omnipotence? Or is it ignorance in name of Allah, in name of God?
Understanding kills the evil in someone and the evil person is no more !
Hate is the false prophet. Unmask it and you will get rid of it!
Then we see that Love itself and no one else is the true Master!
According to many Jews Christians, and Muslims God (a Male?)
said men have to be leaders over women.
Yet it seems to me they do not see themselves their contradictions or those of their words of God, because they want to lead.
Truth has nothing to do with leadership of man or women- but with self-awareness.
By chance, does one have to have a beard to say the truth?
Again, could it be, ironically, that exactly the 'unbelievers, without the prejudice of a belief, could just be those who see the truth, that believers do not want to see?
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Is Obama’s Policy based on coherence with Human Rights or fear of the Islam?
A response on these series of videos,
with gratitude to David Wood and his team for also waging a peaceful and intelligent war on terror.
Ten MORE Reasons Muhammad Is a False Prophet - David Wood & Sam Shamoun
Why so many prefer the murky waters of a belief to simple, clear, making sense? It is because of our fears and desires. These are used by, and allow violent beliefs to dominate our minds, hearts and this world. If Christians, or Jews or Muslims were truly sincere with themselves and each other, they would admit that Holy personages and holy books are not always clear and their beliefs often contradict themselves.
To look for clarity one need be free of fear and desire. Desire for power and fear to be questioned, fear to be true.
Can we be free of these and be really true to each other, to ourselves??
Only then the true peaceful and intelligent solution for terrorism would start. With ourselves!
One personality can be more true than another. Personalities may be better or worse, and we can argue that, but it is still a personality... a personality is still not the Spirit of Truth.
Is any prophet holy? All prophets are false if they tell you to condemn or kill anyone without proof, out of belief, since Abraham! Whether it is Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, their followers or anyone,
if you must believe them or they will kill you,
how can theirs be a religion of peace?
True love and understanding is the Holy Spirit between us.
There is no holy land attained through violence and bloody wars.
Holy is the true love and understanding between us.
Philosophic Community Project,
van Chapman
From: Naturestudio
To: BarackObama
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:37 PM
This text and any answer to it given by the president, will be published on our site for peace, www.naturestudio.net.
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True angels destroy not men, but the falseness in them.
Is Obama’s Policy based on coherence with Human Rights or fear of the Islam?
Good day
Hope this can reach the president and he takes it seriously.
We heard from him that the Islam has a long history of tolerance and that America is not opposing the Islam.
Previously I have asked questions to Obama about the aggression of Islam in the Koran against Jews, Christians and unbelievers, but the President did not answer me.
Found a video which speaks of Obama’s apparent incoherent policy in respect to America’s Constitution, bowing to unconditional respect which Islam demands for itself.
Will Obama please answer to me the information submitted in these videos?
Shariamerica: Islam, Obama, and the Establishment Clause
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErzxOz3Dzv8
Meditation
Speaking about music (what is prohibited by traditions like that of the Taliban), I told a Muslim, so he could understand my meaning of love:
-‘All that is beautiful comes from God.’
Beauty can be anywhere but fanatics think God is expressed only in their contradictory holy books or traditions, what creates the ugliness of hate and chaos and war where there should be love and peace.
Religious terrorism makes it evident how we can we reduce God, Justice or love to the smallness of our egoist minds, how we create God in our own petty images.
The heavy, contradictory traditions, or beliefs of terrorists are those which condemning killing, force you to kill, condemning robbing, force you to rob, and condemning lying, force you to lie, for the sake of their authority. example
(Enemies of the Islam may be killed and eaten http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmsrBtRx1Pk)
Geraldine Fonseca Chapman
This text and any answer to it given by the president, will be published on our site for peace, www.naturestudio.net.
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van Chapman
True angels destroy not men, but the falseness in them.
Why so many prefer the murky waters of a belief to simple, clear, making sense? It is because of our fears and desires. These are used by, and allow violent beliefs to dominate our minds, hearts and this world. If Christians, or Jews or Muslims were truly sincere with themselves and each other, they would admit that Holy personages and holy books are not always clear and their beliefs often contradict themselves.
To look for clarity one need be free of fear and desire. Desire for power and fear to be questioned, fear to be true.
Can we be free of these and be really true to each other, to ourselves??
Only then the true peaceful and intelligent solution for terrorism would start. With ourselves!
One personality can be more true than another. Personalities may be better or worse, and we can argue that, but it is still a personality... a personality is still not the Spirit of Truth.
Is any prophet holy? All prophets are false if they tell you to condemn or kill anyone without proof, out of belief, since Abraham! Whether it is Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, their followers or anyone,
if you must believe them or they will kill you,
how can theirs be a religion of peace?
True love and understanding is the Holy Spirit between us.
There is no holy land attained through violence and bloody wars.
Holy is the true love and understanding between us.
Philosophic Community Project,
van Chapman
A response on these series of videos,
with gratitude to David Wood and his team for also waging a peaceful and intelligent war on terror.
A response on these series of videos,
with gratitude to David Wood and his team for also waging a peaceful and intelligent war on terror.
Ten MORE Reasons Muhammad Is a False Prophet - David Wood & Sam Shamoun
Love or Islam?
www.naturestudio.net
You say your Allah is Great
I say true love is Greater!
If any one thinks these texts are against faith, one is wrong.
It is the violence and love for power in them what is against them,
what degenerates any religion, regime,
and in fact, any relationship.
Dear Muslim,
I really appreciate it, but can you prove to me that nothing in the Koran does not 'only hurt the feelings of 1.5 billion Muslims but also of billions of peace-loving people belonging to different religions and cultures of the world who have been fully supporting the war against extremism around the globe.'?
In this film I see someone who is really honest, but he does not try to save the Islam, he tries to save Muslims and all humans from the Islam's terrorism, which is unconstitutional in all civilized countries!
From a Christian ex Muslim addressed to Obama -
click to see video:
Best regards, van Chapman
Philosophic Community Project
Be welcome to an open discussion on this. What I asked you be published also on http://www.naturestudio.net/love_or_belief.html . and http://www.naturestudio.net/love_or_islam.html#love or islam
If you reply, let me know if I may publish your repply with your name or only anonymously.
van Chapman
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True angels destroy not men, but the falseness in them.
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Philosophic Community Projects Response on
'Anjem Choudary: the British extremist who backs the caliphate'
Sent to the observer.letter observer.co.uk
(also sent this to the Muslim extremist Anjem Choudary who justifies Islamic terrorism but has ambitions to rise as a politician in England..)
photo: To get votes with a knife on the throat.jpg
(with best regards from van Chapman)
Love or belief? Love or Islam?
From a Christian ex Muslim addressed to Obama -
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Love and understanding do not need to kill unbelievers!
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by van Chapman
Dear one, when I said I could never be angry with someone if they were humble, I meant it.
Awareness is the most humbling state of mind. Awareness of what is.
A Belief may not be awareness and it can even be the very opposite of awareness and humbleness.
If you turn your eyes away from to something someone in all sincerity tries to show you, is that humble?
You say belief is private.
I met Catholics, Taoists, Muslims and even yogis that asked me not to take their belief away from them by confronting them. Yet they did not agree with each other’s belief of what is and what is not.
If what you have is true, or truly yours, no one can take it away from you.
If you have nothing to hide, nothing is truly private.
If you are sentimental about me or anyone, particular to someone because it is your holy book, Guru, Master, prophet, or whatever, you may be a flatterer, but you still are not truly honest, are you?
A book has no ego but the rest all have egos, they have Christian Muslim, Hindu, or other egos.
The excuse that to submit unconditionally to anyone is good, when that person has no ego, is a feeble, ‘flauwtjes’ reasoning, because then, the truth does not matter any more, not even matters what makes sense, only what guru, master or prophet said, in name of God; in the Bible, Koran, Talmud, Vedas or elsewhere.
And you can see the result of not following what makes sense is endless war: because no one can really meet through beliefs but through love and understanding and truth.
Only awareness of what we call our beliefs, ourselves, in suma: only spiritual self awareness and not a belief can bring true understanding, true peace within and between us, in this world and after.
Love and understanding do not need to kill unbelievers!
To me this is true sincerity, so rare these days! From a Christian ex Muslim addressed to Obama -I suggest you look at this video and answer what you think of it.
Click to see video:
And also this:
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van Chapman
Let no belief hijack your mind or the truth of your heart!
"Muslims kill more people per year than 350 yrs of the Spanish Inquisition"
7 Sept 2014- Latest from a dialogue with a Muslim:
Love or belief? You know the tree by its fruit...
: - Dear Muslim, I worry about you. You certainly see the news, don't you?
Please let me know if you stand after what Isis is doing also!
Is that the Caliphate rule you talked about? More links:
"Al Qaeda declares Jihad against India"
Your friend in love of truth
van Chapman
Philosophic Community Project
Self awareness is the only thing that can resolve fundamentalist religious terrorism.
If one become aware of what truly is we call unquestionable authority or belief, one is free of it.
Let no belief hijack your mind or the truth of your heart!
What I try to say to say to this Muslim, and his God Allah is:
One does not clear someone's consciousness, nor brings order into someone's thoughts, by cutting off his head!
Extract from a dialogue with a Muslim: http://www.naturestudio.net/love_or_islam.html#love or islam :
"-What you have been saying to me is that the Caliphate is to return, and the Islam will rule over all the peoples of the earth, what ISIS also says, only that you say that to me with a smile, and ISIS says it burning churches and mosques and killing innocent people as a way to reach this goal.
All the propaganda they make is against themselves and against the face of peace of Islam which you try to give to me, only that you contradict that peace by what you say.. The last thing you said to me when I asked you if you justified the horrors like the crucifixion of prisoners in the Koran (which is totally against the constitution in any civilized country) - you said, and these were your words: 'There must be a reason'...!
So what is the real difference between you and ISIS if you justify terrorism (no matter where it is written)?
Do you think everyone who sees that you contradict yourself are stupid?"
Extract from a dialogue with a Muslim:
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It is love itself what is with you all the time, not a guru.
In love is everyone you love.
Love is the Holy Spirit,
and no master, no one has monopoly over it.
Any master, is still not he pure spirit of love because he still has a personality, an ago.
Devotees are sentimental when they turn their ears and eyes away from the spirit, in order to justify everything their master does says or teaches, even if contradictory.
If you love true music you cannot stand sentimental music for long.
Do you think God can?
Dear terrorist
Dear terrorist, let me give you a philosophic hand- an insight:
-In a discussion about what love is, it would be really absurd, stupid,
if we kill each other, to prove we love best. Not so? Likewise, in a discussion over difference of belief, nothing is more absurd, beastly and idiotic than if we killed one another to prove our belief is wiser!
If we can eliminate ignorance, pride and arrogance from our own heart,
we will understand that our true adversary is the ignorance, not the ignorant (person).
Our true enemy is our spiritual ignorance not ourselves,
not the other person, who might be arrogant, proud, spiritually ignorant.
In the quest of and love for the truth, violence,
as an argument, is the most idiotic, the most beastly of all.
Even some beasts, through our love, can become our friends.
Even beasts do not deserve our hate, or torturing them.
Believe what you like, but condemn or violate no one for a belief.
Any violence based on belief is an injustice. Why?
Because you cannot condemn without proof, and a belief is not a proof !
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A terrorist unveiled:
In a dispute over what love is,
what is justice, wisdom, God,
the greatest absurd of all
is for us to kill each other,
to prove we are right.
Proving the exact opposite.
Not so?
van Chapman
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This letter is addressed to anyone who might be a 'Dear terrorist'.
I try to give this message in different ways.
Here some explanation of one of the conflicts gearing terrorist attacks:
The main cause of this millenary antagonism and terrorism between Jews and Muslims, is the fact that they call themselves Jews and Muslims, not just human beings.
What divides Jews and Muslims? Their belief.Their ancestral religion which taught them to confuse loyalty with “unquestioning obedience even in a murder"- for a belief.(Abraham).
The order to kill for a belief, gave anyone the right to call others unbelievers, to judge, condemn and even murder them, for a difference of interpretation of their "word of God. This, of course, has resulted in a curse.
Here is the most important point to understand:
One can believe, but cannot prove what God has said or did not say.
In any process of Justice, to judge and condemn someone, one needs proof- not a belief. To commit violence towards anyone out of a belief is not justice.
So, one may not question but one may kill for their belief?
One may not see the contradictions in our words of God, but we must even kill for them?
This is neither human nor divine-this is simply not intelligent, not honest.
This is the work of pride, or submission to pride, not of wisdom or God.
Pride makes our eyes minds and hearts blind to love, to the truth.
To use force, violence, war in name of a belief, to conquer anyone, anything, produces the exact opposite of what is desired:
How can one win another’s heart and mind, any land, anything,violating them?
Best wishes
May the Holy Spirit of love inspire and protect you always.
To Rudi Vranckx with gratitude and admiration.
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Will publish this.
Hope it can help someone.
"Voice of eternal love music project".
Best wishes to you. In the Christian concept of paradise, angels play music. Music in itself, can be an expression of, the essence of pure love, but also of anything else. Music can be an expression of love or a higher consciousness or not.
Naturestudio has a philosophical project for digital radio called
'Voice of eternal love music project":
https://www.facebook.com/naturestudio.net
-In this project we would like to find a musical heaven, an expression of a great soul and spiritual consciousness, independently of what names one gives to God or Master.
Love is higher than the conflicting ideas of God in this world.
https://www.facebook.com/naturestudio.net
The choice of music for this 'Voice of eternal love music project" will have to agree to very high musical and spiritual standards. As you know there are all kinds of devotional expressions in the world, in churches and temples and so on. But very few express the dignity and beauty of a higher consciousness.
If music is a form of sentimentality, or anger, love for power, or anything else which is not spiritually noble, it is not what we are looking for. If a music is an expression of love for power, or weak subservience to power, it is not what we are looking for, even if it includes the names of Master, Jesus or God.
Some people who are attached to words and names more than to the Spirit of love, may think that a music is sacred if it calls the name of their particular master. Some sects, like the Taliban, even prohibit listening to music. To them the word of their particular prophet God is all, not the heart.
Musically, to the heart, words are not the issue.
Fanaticism is often a disguised form of abuse of power or spiritual insincerity or feebleness. And it will surely sound awful in the ears of God!
This is not the kind of expression we call eternal love.
Naturestudio would like to propose a selection of music for such a program, given that the copyright permissions were obtained for it, and the sending on a radio station done by a radio company.
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About us: We are running a non profit society called Naturestudio.
On our sites you can see my efforts (van Chapman ) to peacefully solve some conflicts in the world as religious or theocratic terrorism, through promoting self awareness. intelligence and not war.
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"Voice of eternal love music project".
-In this project we would like to find a musical heaven, an expression of a great soul and spiritual consciousness, independently of what names one gives to God or Master.
Love is higher than the conflicting ideas of God in this world.
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If you have a master, you have to please, do all the master says
so you cannot truly be yourself. If you have a friend,
you must only do what is just, no matter what the master says.
Then you can truly be yourself. Then you can truly call it love.
True angels destroy not men, but the falseness in them-
Philosophic Community Project- van Chapman-
If we do not get offended, no one can offend us.
If we clear injustice within us and between us, war is no more.
I think now you got it.
The beauty of things is their own transcendence.
The reason I complained so much about Yogananda's poem to God
is because he was denying the beauty he saw, felt or heard presently, the beauty of flowers, landscapes, faces, while sentimentally, foolishly, longing, looking for it somewhere else.
Love is always in the present.
Sentimentality is always in the future or past.
Sentimentality is not love,
even if it is longing for God.
The beauty, the love that emanates from something,
from someone, is its own transcendence.
If you find love, you find everyone you love.
- My Bonitinha says -of course!
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If you know where to look inside you, writing is like walking on the sea shore open to what is, and suddenlly finding something very beautiful, like a pebble, a seashell, a drawing by the wind and water upon the sand, a transparent water movement, a flying bird. You are simply finding surprizing things along the way!
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A sincere talk with a Muslim law student
-You know it is true, what I try to tell you. You always try looking the other way, in relation to a fault in a fellow Muslim, pointing out instead the same on others. Is this to be Just? You smile, my friend, a mysterious smile, as if in your heart you know that to be one-sided is not to be just.
You blame those you consider enemies of making false propaganda.
Yet you go on and on with your pink glasses. Blaming others of what you justify in yourself and in those you call yours.
You blame those you call enemies, when they justify
something they know is wrong, if in their holy books.
But when you or those you call yours, do the same, you justify it.
Even the worse crimes.
There is no holy ground won by bloody wars, fratricide wars.
(To mention an example, the horrible one Isis is waging, even against other Muslims, for a mere difference of belief..).
But you have no criticism against anyone who calls himself a Muslim.
Against anything written in the Koran, even if a terror story, do you?
May anyone invade rape and kill in name of Allah or God?
You know no one can be right to judge and condemn another blindly,
without proof, without reason, without love. out of belief.
You blame others, those you call enemies,
when they do not see this injustice in themselves,
but when you, or those you call 'your own' do the same,
you justify it...
You know there is no victory in a religion that converts through violation, rape, torture and murder; so how do you justify that?
How can you call crucifying someone an act of self-defence?
Where is the honesty in a regime or religion which converts through brutal force, or one sided pink coloured glasses propaganda in an endless stupid war for domination of minds and territory?
Those you call enemies, like your own,
believe to be "the chosen Ones"...
Those who you call enemies, like your own,
believe to be the ones who are the martyrs,
and their enemies, those who go to hell.
Do you not see the ridiculous of this war?
In fact, the only thing that is evident in a bloody stupid war
is that unquestionable violent beliefs creates a hell for one other.
Because they must silence the opposition,
not with intelligent arguments but by force.
Is that what you call wisdom?
You smile, my friend, when in your heart you know I know
that being an one sided lawyer, who defends his own, however wrong,
blaming others of what he justifies in himself, is being a hypocrite.
Please let your heart speak, because you have a good heart!
No unquestionable violent belief can be holy. Holy is the sincerity,
the true love, and the understanding between people.
Your friend, in love of truth.
Philosophic Community Project.
Let beauty enter your mind and heart.
How can we go to heaven when we die,
being unable to see, hear or live the beauty of heaven
when it is here and now?
When we prohibit and destroy the music of angels,
with war-rhythms and patriotic-hymns,
with asphalt and cement, bunkers and bob-wire fences?
The only death which brings light and peace
is the end of arrogance, the end of false thinking.
Heaven is a state of mind and heart.
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To the Taliban, with love. My friend laughs at this, and with her black English humor says for a laugh- 'Then they send you a bomb back as a gift, wrapped with a ribbon!'...
The Taliban, might just agree with me, about the destruction by the Western culture, of the Earth's wild flower fields...I give everyone a chance to see what I see, without discrimination of belief!!
To this some call ‘hurt feelings’:
Any similarity between an offended unreasonable lady
or irrational man, and religious extremism is not a mere coincidence,
but an universal a pattern of the human pride or ego,
in response to (an even fair) criticism.
First there is the emotionally inflammable
easily offended ego,
who is in fact the offensive ego.
A belief not to be reasoned with.
The violent belief.
Then the furious exaggerated words
the unfair ‘you always’ and 'you never'
do this or that...
The cursing to hell wrath of God!
Then, refusing to hear or give any further explanation
ordering you out the door- without discussion, without appeal,
throwing the baby with the bath water !
The violent, unquestionable, belief.
To this some simply call ‘hurt feelings’...
-Nothing further from the truth-
The offended, offensive ego
the violent, unquestioning belief,
is what hinders true feeling,
clear seeing of one another.
The violent, unquestioning belief,
the easily offended- easily offensive ego
is not a reflexion of the Holy Spirit of love,
but of our unreasonable human pride.
To the God of Moses and the God of Mohammed:
26 July 2014
To the God of Moses and the God of Mohammed:
If we are arrogant, proud, unquestionable, we get easily offended, irritated.
then we might even kill for a critic, might even kill unbelievers.
Let us go into it:
If one is arrogant, proud,
one gets easily offended..
If one becomes offended,
emotions, thoughts words and acts
become exaggerated, untrue, unjust.
violent. What then are you proud of?
To set things right, first we must see
and be free of blind emotions,
injustice in thoughts, in words and acts.
One does not kill a friendship1
one does not kill love 2
one does not kill another 3
out of pride and arrogance,
and call himself wise just God.
If I am just, I do not want to destroy God,
but the evil in the name of God,
as you should not want to destroy another,
but the evil in the other.
We ought not to commit suicide,
but destroy, through awareness,
the false thoughts in us.
If one cannot clarify,
if someone thinks wrong of you,
just proudly send him to hell,
in so doing, one may be utterly inhuman,
but not good and not God.
If you can clarify, you do not become offended.
then, how can someone offend you?
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'If the history of Mohammed is true or not, one cannot know,
but it is brutal violence what transforms an organized religion into an organized crime.'
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John 4/7: Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
John 4/8: He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
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You say your Allah is Great, but I say true love is Greater!
'If the history of Mohammed is true or not, one cannot know,
but it is brutal violence what transforms an organized religion into an organized crime.'
van Chapman
John 4/7: Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God and knows God.
John 4/8: He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.
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Gaza conflict in a nutshell
The deeper cause of Jewish -Muslim wars
is the theocratic paradigm in the mirror-
To sanctify even bloody murder in name of a belief,
while demonizing its critic self awareness.
Gaza conflict in a nutshell
(edited): 22 July 2014
Israelis invade Palestine, calling Palestinians terrorists, when they fight against this occupation.- Is this just?
We heard these days on Canvas TV news (Terzake), from an Israeli occupant of Palestine, that God had given Israel to the Jews.
This is no dialogue of reason or love. This is a war of blind unquestionable belief, a hopeless war, without light at the end of the tunnel, because no one can prove what God said or did not say.
The injustice, cause of the Israel-Palestine issue is not only a territorial invasion, or the religious schism, between Jewish and Muslim traditions. The deeper cause is the very core of all totalitarian, theocratic regimes: the violence which allows bloody war, but condemns questioning itself.
'unquestioning obedience, even in a murder', is not only at the very core of Jewish and Islamic religion, in the story of Abraham, as a pattern of relationship, but in all tyrannical rule. A commonplace in all irrational, absurd bloody conflicts, wars, énd in particular, religious wars.
Violence in name of God, in name of a belief is what transforms a religion into an organized crime.
How can one truly win someone's heart converting by the sword? Has Hitler, for example, conquered hearts, or brain washed minds?? The belief that blind obedience to a violent religion can bring peace, unity and true collaboration and understanding among all nations, is proved wrong, again and again.
If true self criticism and dialogue could exist between Israelis and Palestinians, there would not be an occupation of Palestine by Israel, nor the separation wall between them, but the possibility of their being truly united nations, mutually beneficial human societies.
The deeper cause of Jewish -Muslim wars is the theocratic paradigma in the mirror--To sanctify even bloody murder in name of a belief, while demonizing its critic self awareness.
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Jews and Muslims must think : - to kill for a belief is evil, except of course, for our belief !...
But it is as impossible to prove that God has given Israel to the Jews as to prove He has given the Koran to the Muslims.
What is obvious,and they do not seem to see of themselves, only of others is that there is no justice in judging and condemning anyone without proof, out of mere belief !
The truth they usually hide from their religious propaganda, is that their sacred books, the Torah as well as the Koran, have punishments so barbaric for breaking ancient rules of conduct that are so inhumanly cruel, no one could execute them, without turning their heart into a stone or the heart of a monster! Thank God there also came a more forgiving Jesus and later a J Krishnamurti in the scene!
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A Jewish friend answered this post by saying that I do not understand what Jews or Muslims believe in, asking to disappear from my mail list. I respect her wish, And did so, with a question:
-If you can explain, when someone misunderstands you, why dismiss them, disappointed?
Yes I may not know what they believe, but maybe Jews and Muslims themselves do not know what they believe in:
Are you sentimental about what some call God of love?
Just see the shameful, horrid executions à la Allah !
(In the photo: victims of a pedofile wedding and a lapidation execution:
-You say Allah, Jehovah, is great. -I say love is greater!
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Yes, How can we ever reach a common understanding with unquestioning beliefs?
The moment you deny feeling to follow another, you become a robot, at the hand of who? Guru? Community? God? If you took the more sincere way of looking at rather than denying your feelings, that is much more real.
In so called spiritual communities it always amazing me how people avoid to see the evident (contradictions) in their authorities.I understand why. Because they are blackmailed by a promise of heaven if they believe; and of hell if they disobey. (the guru, prophet or master).
It makes me feel sick in my stomach all that undiscriminating subservient sweetness of followers...
Because one may not sincerely question a belief, a hell of insurmountable conflicts arise in this Pantheon of beliefs promising heaven.
I rather be alone and have no friends than to be part of it. I agree with Krishnamurti who said the relation Guru-disciple is an unhealthy one.
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Here an example of what I say: BBC
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-16047709
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The impossibility to clear human relations is when we justify what we know is false in ourselves or in what or whom we consider our own, as a belief, for example, and call it loyalty.
A spiritual conflict is always between loyalty to love and one’s ego-
- whether that ego be personal or group related.
The impossibility to clear relations comes from the concealment of what we know is false-wrong -because of pride: self-pride, family pride, national pride, religious pride, whatever... If our privacy disturbs the spiritual clarity between people, I would not call it privacy but pride, lack of humbleness.
When we would rather distance ourselves from a friend than from our personal or group pride, we are in fact not loyal to anyone:- not to our true self nor to another, nor to God, or love, but to the ego -our false thought about what is.
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Dear Muslim, you are taught to fear and not to question Islam.
You are the islamophobe!
Holy war? -Combat falsehood, not those who are false !
That is what saviours do, true fathers & mothers of mankind!
Rather than (Koran) :'kill unbelievers wherever you find them' ,
kill falsehood , wherever you find it - even in your holy books!
I ask Obama how can he reconcile civil freedom and human rights with its antithesis, the Islam ?
Will he say- 'Yes we can?'
No. Only fearless and total sincerity can solve this impasse. By turning a 'politically correct' blind eye to Islam, Obama cannot solve the ISIS problem at its root, in the consciousness.
Only pass the problem on to another...
Whether it is the Islamic State or the United States, the problem with anyone, any state, starts when they forsake and prohibit self-critic honesty. ( turning an 'Islamic correct' or 'politically correct-blind eye' to their own incoherence). Incoherence with what we know is the way of love and love's Justice, simply out of self interests- that is when a religion becomes terrorism, and a state stops the fair peace process to become a tyrannical invading force! Dear Muslims and dear Mr. President, understand this, for the best of all.
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RECENT DIALOGUE WITH A MUSLIM
For a peaceful intelligent solution of Terrorism
You say whatever (even a link to Internet) in name of Allah... Is that Ok with Allah?
From Dialogue with a Muslim
RECENT
__Love or Belief
Dear believer, if you kill the ignorance, the ignorant is no more.!
Or would rather perpetuate ignorance?
Share Your Thoughts:
Should Capital Punishment be Abolished?
Philosophic Community Project.
by van Chapman:
How can you ever know if another is happy with you if you keep'm in a cage?
It is not faith, but fear which keeps one encaging others, or being encaged.
He who would kill one for leaving him, belongs to a mafia, not a religion.
Open question: -Is this the USA, is this the Islam, is this your country, is this you?
An attempt of a
Dialogue with a Muslim.
who rather stay anonyme.
Here I will call him Erci.
Here the latest recent exchange with this Muslim asking him if he backed up ISIS :
These talks and mail exchanges go as far back as 2005.
( I must still revise the texts for reading clarity, but here are some extracts to have an idea of this conversation:
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From: G.
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 02:20:56 +0200
To: Erci
Subject: You know the tree by its fruit- More links!
"Muslims kill more people per year than 350 yrs of the Spanish Inquisition"
Latest from a dialogue with a Muslim:
Love or belief? You know the tree by its fruit...
: - Dear Muslim, I worry about you. You certainly see the news, don't you?
Please let me know if you stand after what Isis is doing also!
Is that the Caliphate rule you talked about? More links:
"Al Qaeda declares Jihad against India"
Your friend in love of truth
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Self awareness is the only thing that can resolve fundamentalist religious terrorism. If one become aware of what truly is we call unquestionable authority or belief, one is free of it.
Let no belief hijack your mind or the truth of your heart!
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The Muslim Erci answers:
In his broken English:
07, 2014 11:45 PM
You know the tree by its fruit- More links!
Dear Geraldine,
In The Name Of ALLAH, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful...
First of all its not muslims who kills but terrorist, you never could make the difference for almost 10 years now. So all you're arguments are groundless. And yes I follow the news, and if I'm not mistaking has the Arap Lige ( its the League of muslim counties) condemmed the actions of IS and called it terrorist actions and they declared cooporation to stop this terrorist group. So stop confusing things Geraldine.There are living muslims for 50 years now in Belgium and no one exlpode himself or killed people.So open you're mind and don't use stroman arguments hoping ill fall for them.Be smarter is my message to you -By
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You know the tree by its fruit- More links!
G:-
Dear Erci thank you for not supporting Isis!
But I could not know that.
-What you have been saying to me is that the Caliphate is to return, and the Islam will rule over all the peoples of the earth, what ISIS also says, only that you say that to me with a smile, and ISIS says it burning churches and mosques and killing innocent people as a way to reach this goal.
All the propaganda they make is against themselves and against the face of peace of Islam which you try to give to me, only that you contradict that peace by what you say.. The last thing you said to me when I asked you if you justified the horrors like the crucifixion of prisoners in the Koran (which is totally against the constitution in any civilized country) - you said, and these were your words: 'There must be a reason'...!
So what is the real difference between you and ISIS if you justify terrorism (no matter where it is written)?
Do you think everyone who sees that you contradict yourself are stupid?"
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To me this is true sincerity, so rare these days!
From a Christian ex Muslim addressed to Obama -
I suggest you look at this video and answer what you think of it.
Click to see video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxzOVSMUrGM
Ten MORE Reasons Muhammad Is a False Prophet - David Wood & Sam Shamoun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVp29jA9eCo&list=PLDB147CA34BC46569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxfFrAUBV-U&index=9&list=PL541446AABFB42242
Sent to this Muslim Erci:
Subject: Fw: Love your enemies versus kill your enemies
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 00:40:03 +0200
Ten MORE Reasons Muhammad Is a False Prophet - David Wood & Sam Shamoun
Answer from this Muslim Erci notice how he answer in a personal way but in name of Allah:
September 14, 2014 1:01 AM
In The Name Of ALLAH, The MosT Gracious, The MosT MercifuL,
You make me laugh Geraldine, really.
You ask me Jesus pbuh or Muhammed pbuh, we Muslims believe in all Prophets who were Send by ALLAH, even Mozes, Abraham, John The Baptist pbuh all.
So we accept them all.
But what really made me laugh is that i checked one of this video of 10 reasons that Muhammed pbuh is a False prophet and i listen to it, so he referred to the book of Buharie: volume 1, book 8 hadith nr 367, and i checked it. But the funny part is, that he is reading what is not there. That hadith is talking about praying.
You see how they fool you and will keep fooling you..
And pls. i told you, don't send me those messages, cause they are inaccurate.
Why do you like to stalk me?
Are you obsessed with me or with the Islam?
Dont you have peace in you're life?
Im about to think that you're going crazy
Im telling you to send me positive messages but you keep sending me all negative stuff.
Go and see a psychologist, i think you need one
Or maybe its time to block you cause there isn't any reason left in you
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G answers:
Is anyone honest, when they Must believe?
Muslims are taught by Mohammed to fear Islam or go to hell.
Muslims are the true islamophobes. I believe in sincere dialogue, not islamophobia.
I believe in in making sense, in being honest in a debate .
Who is being negative here?
You once said to me 'Every thing which is written in the Koran is true"
If the following is in the Koran: “There is no compulsion in religion" (2:256) and: "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good) (3:85), then yours is a hypocrite contradiction that will not only necessarilly divide people, but divide Muslims themselves forever, unitill they all kill each other for being unbelievers!
I say that: If anyone Must believe, especially that something that makes no sense is just, he cannot be honest, can he?
Christian Muslim or whatever, 'Whether it is Moses, Jesus, Mohammed, their followers or anyone, if you must believe them or they will kill you, how can their's be a religion of peace?'
The only solution is to be honest and distance yourself from the fear of seeing clearly!
David Wood is fair play. Discuss with him if you disagree with him!
[A word of warning for those who may find their version of Quran is translated differently from those appearing in this article: Almost all the translators of Quran have deliberately tried to soften the harsh verses of Quran. Yusufali especially goes out of his way to twists the meaning of the words and hide the harshness of Quran. For example he translates the verse (38:44) that says "take a green branch and beat your wife" as "take a little green grass and strike therewith". Or when he translates the verse (4:34) that says "beat your wife" he cannot help it but to add the word (lightly) in parenthesis.]
Humans are neglecting the responsibility to look critically at their beliefs and at themselves! Yes! we should be asking for example why people do not see as a problem the over population of the Earth by Humans and the toll on nature and our slave animals for consumption! !http://www.occupyforanimals.org/ban-religious-slaughter-throughout-europe.html
September 27, 2014
Subject: RE: Love your enemies versus kill your enemies
Erci answers:
In The Name of Allah, The MosT Gracious, The Most Merciful..
Check this out http://www.ted.com/talks/lesley_hazelton_on_reading_the_koran#t-559103
Greats
(he sends me alink to a Ted Talk on the Koran by a Jewish author lesley hazelton )
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:59:49 +0200
Answer 27, 2014
Geraldine (Naturestudio)
You say whatever (even a link to Internet) in name of Allah... Is that Ok with Allah?
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